Alrighty….let us all get out our noseclips and dive back into the river of free-flowing crap that is Stephanie Cleveland’s ode to antiporn radicalfeminist myopia, shall we??
When we last exited for air, Ms. Cleveland was riffing on the many ways in which "liberal men" and the "male Left" were turning a blind eye to how porn was innately causing the brutality and outright degradation of women as a class; we pick up the action now somewhere in the middle of the essay, where she now aims her sights on the alleged oxymoron of "feminist porn" [Once again, emphasis added by me]:
It has also been suggested to me by liberal men and some women, that rather than attack pornography, I should work towards putting control of the industry in women’s hands. The people who suggest this seem not to have noticed patriarchy is still pretty firmly in place. Men have the money and power to control what types of pornography get made, and by whom. And judging from the direction the industry has taken in the past decade, men who use pornography want to be able to use women—they want to be able to use us as objects, without having to worry about being ‘gentle.’
One male reviewer’s comments on ‘feminist’ pornographer Candida Royalle’s website seem pretty telling: “Not too much for my wife, but still arousing. I am not sure if it would be great to sit down to alone. I might want something a little less ‘lovable.’” Sadly, women, like men, can abuse other people, and women, like men, can be pimps. This is why the idea of a woman-run pornography industry is not only improbable, but awful. In that case, the industry would still be based on injustice—on selling people for sex—the only difference being, women would be the pimps as well as the victims.
Now, never mind the basic fact that there are known examples of women who do actually make erotica/porn exactly with women’s stated desires in mind (Candida Royalle is an example; or that there are women in positions of much power who manage to run whole enterprises (Christie Hefner of Playboy, Danni Ashe of DanniMedia; and various webmistresses who manage to run and maintain their own websites; orrrrrrr that even much of what passes for "male porn" actually runs against the stereotype of men abusing women (try Vivid Video or Video Team or any of the softcore late-night erotica on cable and try to find any violence, if you may). In the mind of the likes of Stephanie Cleveland and her MacDworkinite sister travellers, it’s all the same as an Anabolic or a Extreme double anal gangbang…even when it clearly isn’t.
And for this "selling people for sex" deal…..I’d think that an educated woman like Ms. Cleveland would be able to ascertain the difference between a person performing sex acts for their and other people’s vewing pleasure; and someone actually doing sex with that person in exchange for pay. (Of course, not that it would matter to her, since even if it was done for free, it would still be considered nothing less than horrible and degrading and male-dominant for the very reason of it involving hard-ons and penetration and semen and thrusting and grunting and orgasms and all those other "male-identified" intrusions on an "authentic female/feminist sexuality".
And it should be noted that even many feminist women see Femme Productions (Candida Royalle’s "women’s porn" project) as much too soft and romantic for their taste; and that there are plenty of men who actually do prefer that kind of more "sensual" porn (though apparantly not sensual enough for Cleveland’s tastes/political ideology, I’d assume).
The lives of women hurt by pornography should matter. The lives of those who feel broken by it should count, more than any bogus attempt to revamp the industry. The speech of those raped by porn users should be allowed to matter. Their voices should matter more than the ‘speech’ rights of men, who can very much live without porn. They should also count more than the voices of a small, elite group of women willing to dignify pornography professionally, and exploit women’s sexuality just as greedily as men. These women, who claim porn empowers us all, operate from a position of privilege. They don’t have to live through being assaulted by a father who uses porn, or being pushed into performing sex acts by a boyfriend who saw them in his favorite gangbang flick. This tiny group of women pornographers gets to stand behind the camera, producing about one percent of the industry’s porn, their privileged role provided for them, temporarily, by pro-porn men. The men, of course, are only too happy to support them and pay lip service to their idea of ‘feminist erotica,’ all the while continuing to film women fucked inside out, penetrated by two men at a time, raped, used, and sold as commodity.
The pro-porn ‘feminists’ claim they are entitled to their individual ‘freedom of expression.’ Feminism should be about giving women choices as individuals, yes, but it should also be about doing what’s best for the status of women as a whole. Some women may enjoy pornography, but many more have been brutalized because of it. Some women may see sex as power, but many more realize that power is still in the hands of men, whenever they get to buy us. Why women should have to reclaim an industry men came up with in the first place? Why should we try to make ‘lovable’ porn, instead of creating our own ideas about sex that don’t involve industry at all?
Ah, yes…the rights of the "victims" of porn should definitely outweigh the "rights" of women who are not even harmed by it or even gain much pleasure from it….even if most perpetrators of violence never viewed so much as a naked nipple or a shaved pube in his life, or that most rapists managed to harm women long before any porn video or Internet site (or even Kama Sutra carvings in caves); or that there are far more vast sources for misogyny (such as traditional conservative religion, or the lack of political power, or the inequality of the economic system overall. But forget all that…..only by banning and banishing images of explicit sex and converting men to radfem principles will women be able to overcome these obstacles and gain true equality. And…what about the vast majority of men who don’t particularly have the power to "buy" women for sex….or the power of the human sex drive and base sexual desire which induces men (and women) to seperate themselves from their money to attract these things?? The men may have most of the money, but it’s the women (and in the case of gay male porn, other men) who are inducing them to give up that money in the first place. So who, really, has the power? The person who pays, or the person who gets paid???
And now we come to the best part of the article…I promised you a Nina Hartley bashing, and heretowith…
On her web site, Nina Hartley claims to offer pro-woman pornography. One of her films is entitled Hot Cherry Pies. The cover features a woman’s vagina, neatly hidden by a smashed piece of pastry. A caption reads, “sink your teeth into a slice of hot cherry pie! 20 panty-soaked scenes of toy stuffing, muff munching, dong dunking fun, [courtesy of] pussy pro Nina Hartley!” A reviewer notes enthusiastically, “The box has a scratch and sniff on it. If you scratch the pussy it smells like cherries. It’s a great conversation piece.”
As a feminist, I want to be able to critique sexist images of women in the media. But how can I do that, if I have to accept Hartley’s version of the same thing as ‘liberating?’ Her ideas are the same as those found in male porn—that sex is about force, being stuffed, bitten into. The women marketed as lesbians in her girl-on-girl scenes don’t look like any lesbians I know—or even straight women for that matter—with their bleached blonde hair, fake breasts, and fully waxed bodies. The enormous range of touch, emotion and sensuality that encompasses women’s sexuality, or any kind of authentically human sexuality, isn’t even hinted at. The problem is—those aspects of sex can’t be captured by pornography; they can’t be commercially boxed and marketed.
Keep in mind, Clones, that Nina basically and correctly, IMHO, savaged Cleveland’s ally Chyng Sun a couple of years back….and apparantly, the hurt of the truth still lingers….how else would Nina’s name keep cropping up as Pu(l)bic Enemy Number One for the Radfem Sexxx Police. Yet, even for the usual, the "Hot Cherry Pie" reference is, shall we say, one gigantic reach. Sheldon Ranz, a journalist and porn auteur who knows Nina enough to have actually interviewed her a decade ago, decided to research the video reference….and promptly posted the results to Nina’s forum yesterday:
"Hot Cherry Pies" is a compilation tape – it’s not a Nina Hartley feature. That’s why it will never appear on my authoritative videography of her work. And any way, what Cleveland is referring to is the advertising, not the video itself. She has obviously never seen that actual clips in the video – she judges a book solely by its cover. This has happened to Nina before – the cover box to "Debbie Duz Dishes" originally depicted her as a Jewish American Princess, when in fact the video itself portrayed her as anything but.
It should also be noted that none of the sex acts promoted in the promo box cover for that video — the "toy stuffing" (penetration by sex toys), the "muff munching" (oral sex), or the "dong dunking" (regular PIV sex) contain not a hint of violence or degradation of any kind. And would it be misogynic of me to say that the "scratch the pussy and it smells like cherry pie" reference is more an ode to the infamous scene in the classic mainstream comedy American Pie, where the lead actor is caught by his father with his dick in a cherry pie because he was told by his friend that that was what sexual intercourse with a woman felt like?? But considering how much of an expert Ms. Cleveland is on porn (not seeing an actual porn video notwithstanding; since only fervent rehashing of the Dworkin/MacKinnon/Reisman microcode is more than enough for antiporn feminists to convey them as experts in human sexuality), it is no surprise at all that she can see the total misogyny where the rest of us can’t.
Not to mention Cleveland’s laughable bitching about the "lesbians" in porn not looking like any "real lesbians" she’s personally known….uhhh, Stephanie, ever heard of those people called "bisexuals"??? Or about straight women who just might actually like pussy on the side because….well….it’s FUN?!?! And as for the typical reference to "fake breasts, blonde hair, and waxed bodies" (whatever the hell that means)…..she does know that Nina did actually appear in porn before she got her implants….and that there are plenty of naturally endowed (and some not so endowed), non-blonde, and non-anorexic women who have succeeded quite nicely (Marilyn Chambers, for example, was an actual A-cup brunette during her heyday; she didn’t get her boobs done until well after she had left the XXX business, during her softcore period of making Pay-Per-View specials during the early 2000s.)
Ohhhh…but never fear, because all this is all about developing an "authentic female sexuality", or simply a "human sexuality" that better represents "the enormous range of touch, emotion, and sensuality" that that bad, nasty old male-dominated porn just can’t touch. Kinda like, say…romance novel sex, ‘ya think?? (Never mind that even that has been invaded by those evil male values of physical pleasure over "sensuality" thanks to the influence of "Romantica"…and that much of the move is driven by the main consumers of romance novels, which remain WOMEN…but I guess that Cleveland doesn’t really care about that, since that gets in the way of policing women’s desire by smearing men as rapists and human sperm fountains.)
Here’s how Cleveland concludes her little ranting:
Some of us would like to experience sex that is not commercial, but human; we are ‘pro-sex,’ to the point of wanting sex as human beings. What happens to us, if as women, Hartley’s pornographic version of sex doesn’t make us feel better? What happens when all the men we know use pornography and think of us as pussy? As a woman, I remember times when men have used words like those to hurt me. Trying to redeem them as sexy, seems as pointless as redeeming words such as ‘nigger’ or ‘kike.’
I don’t want to be ‘pussy’ or ‘pie.’ I want the chance to be a person, even in sex. As Andrea Dworkin wrote, “Girls want so much, not knowing they want the impossible: to move in a real world of action and accomplishment; to be someone individual and unique; to act on one’s own feelings, appetites, and ambitions.”
I have my own appetites; I don’t need the sexual script that pornographers—male or female—lord over me. I have my own ambitions. I want to find my own vision of sex. I want lovers who are willing to abandon pornography, so that I can have partners in respect and mutuality. I want to be, not the fuck-hole of male pornography, or the Hot Cherry Pie of Hartley’s, but a human being.
Now, for once I will actually agree with Ms. Cleveland…to a point. No woman wants to be reduced to any part of her body (whether it’s her pussy, her womb, her boobs, her face, or her legs; and most of us do want to be seen as full human beings. That is perfectly fine and fair and just; in fact, it’s a fundamental essentuality to be treated as a equal and fair human being.
The problem that radfems like Stephanie Cleveland will face is that for the majority of human beings, men and women, sex and sexual pleasure is an essential part of being human; indeed, in that it is sex that creates human life to begin with, it could be said that sex is the most essential value of humanity….as essential as food, shelter, and language. Only problem is, though, that sex sometimes has a way of defying attempts to criminalize and define and restrict its desires; it is no surprise that cultures that have attempted to repress sexuality to a narrow boundary have simply redefined desire in much more uncontrollable means. The Catholic Church’s repression of homosexuality and its vow of celibacy resulting in such gross sexual abuse by their priests of their pre-pubescent subjects is one example; the recent antics of homophobic self-denying gay men like former Congressman Mark Foley and Jeff Gannon are but a few other examples of sexual repression coming back to boomerang in abusive fashion. It’s one thing for radfems to say that porn does leave a lot to be desired when it comes to accurate information about sex or conveying the realities of human desire; but it’s quite another to use that as a crutch to attempt to replace one form of social and sexual repression with another model and call it "feminism" or "anti-capitalism". Whether they like it or not, a woman’s vagina is as human as the woman whom uses it for her own pleasure (and the same for a man’s penis); and to deny her the agency to define her own pleasures for herself and experience the joy of sexual ecstasy is the exact opposite of what feminism should represent.
You may not like what most pornography represents personally, and that is your right…but when you decide to prejudge, indict and convict people who happen not to be harmed or to feel harmed by viewing sexually explicit media of crimes that they did not commit, you simply lose the right to call yourself a progressive…or, for that matter, a feminist.
What "feminists" like Chyng Sun and Stephanie Cleveland do does far more harm to women — in effect, dehumanizes and objectifies women — than anything Nina Hartley or Candida Royalle (whatever my disagreement is with her particular vision) has ever done on stage or online. As far as I am concerned, the latter two are the genuine progressive feminists…..the former two are simply right-wing fascist wannabes cloaked in "leftist" drag.
A side note: The Adonis Mirror site from which Cleveland’s nonsense originated is actually more of a "male radicalfeminist" site mostly dirven by a man named Richard Leader; who wrote most of the essays featured there. Strangely enough, as I noted previously, Cleveland’s essay is the only essay written by a woman there. Not a trace of misogyny there about a bunch of men attempting to tell women how to live their sex lives, isn’t there??? (I guess that some "male Leftists" are more acceptable than others..ya think?? (Just Google for the actual link if you want; I’d rather not give them any more support than they deserve.)
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UPDATE: Nina Hartley just posted this righteous and succint response to Stephanie Cleveland’s nonsense over at her forum:
http://www.nina.com/vboard/showpost.php?p=37541&postcount=5
(Posted by Nina Hartley ("Nina") on Dec. 13 @ 9:07 PM CST; "Kimberly" was another forum member)Kimberly,
Thanks for your succint and pointed response to yet another dreary rehasing of a very tired anti porn rant that hasn’t changed much in nearly thirty years.
Sigh. She shows her ignorance by thinking that I had anything to do with "Cherry Pie." We are contractors: when we shoot the scene, we get paid and we go home. The producer does what he sees fit with the footage. That’s why one scene of me having sex on a pool table with Billy Dee where he comes on my face can show up: in the original movie ("Little Bit ‘o Honey," c. ‘86); in a "Blacks and Blondes" tape; in a "Sex and Sports" compilation; in a "Horny, Cum Eating Blondes"; and a "Bubble Butt Babe" compilation. The performers have zero to do with any of this.
But that’s beside the point. What these types of porn bashers of either gender don’t seem to realize is that their morbid preoccupation with the "prostituting of women," etc., is THEIR psychiatric fixation and not necessarily an accurate depiction of the landscape. I’m not saying that x percent of porn isn’t ugly and distasteful. I don’t like a lot of it, myself and so don’t watch it. These people seek OUT porn they find particularly horrendus and then spend a lot of time getting worked up over its existance [sic] and what it "means" for the culture. Like the anit-communist hysteria in the ’50’s, they see female subjugation under every bush and in every bit of advertising.
Of course women who would prefer not to be sex workers should be helped out of their current situation, including those who’d prefer not to make videos. But porn is not keeping them there. Could it be that society still stigmatizes women with a less than ‘virtuous’ background, making it hard to get other, equally well-paying work? Could it be that our educational system does a piss-poor job of getting young people ready to make their way in the world? If the stats are true, that 25% of women are molested/raped by the time they’re 21, why aren’t 25% of our female citizens making livings as sex workers? Could it be that other factors than a history of sexual abuse lead performers to adult videos? Why don’t these "porn is bad for all women" women ever seem to pay ANY attention to male victims of sexual abuse/rape? To the lives of male performers? Could it be that they still labor under the delusion that "the patricarchy" somehow includes/benefits ALL male citizens, even when that is clearly not so?
If a woman’s boyfriend is so dopey that he can’t tell the difference between a movie and a real-life person, then she’s dating a jerk and needs to dump him. If she is so insecure that she feels a rivalry with a 2-D image, then she needs to understand why that is and quit blaming a movie for her unhappiness in life/love. If the relationship is so strained that he thinks he can get/ask/have her do things that the model is doing without asking the girlfriend if she’s into it, then she need to get the fuck out or learn to speak up to/for her needs. No one takes advantage of someone without the implicit or explict permission of that person.
If she wants a man in her life, she needs to understand that-news flash-men like to look. As long as he doesn’t do it in front of her and hurts her feelings, that’s life. If she wants a doormat or a self-loathing man, she’ll see what kind of sex she gets from him: not much and not very good.Just because SHE is disgusted/outraged/dismayed/angered by an act she sees on camera DOESN’T mean that the performer felt the same thing when she made the movie, and to have that notion is very childish and anit-intellectual. There are many women who love a kind of sex that I don’t get. I don’t watch their scenes, as their version doesn’t turn me on at all. But in person, they’re pretty sweet and clearly liking what they do. Has Ms. Clevland [sic] ever considered the notion that these are PERFORMANCES and not some documentary?
She gets to be angry, etc., about the world and how she sees it. She gets to be angry, etc., about porn. What is so infuriating is her arrogance in thinking that her version is the only version of events.BTW, I encourage women to leave porn all the time. As well, I encourage many to never start in the first place, if I think this business wouldn’t be good for them. Guess what? These are young women with attitudes and they didn’t listen to Mom and they sure as hell aren’t going to listen to me. When they’re ready to listen, I talk to them again. This poster needs to get a copy of "Porn 101" to see just how strongly we take our responsibility to warn women of the realities of making that first movie.
Whether she like it or not, many of the women making movies now like what they do. Not all of us have the opportunity to be in academia like Ms.Cleveland. Most don’t have the choice of, "Hmm, porn or NYU?" Porn is very well compensated blue collar labor, better than working the chicken-plucking assembly line, and that’s where Ms. Cleveland’s "analysis" falls short. Like all of the other porn bashers out there, the class bias drips from her keyboard, as well as her amazing ignorance. When have any of these women EVER talked to me and heard my story? Never. No, it wouldn’t do, as my story contradicts their theory. They only want to talk to women who feel they’ve been harmed by their involvement with adult entertainment. It’s sort of like how Bushie got us into Iraq: only listening to those "advisors" who already agreed with him and not paying any heed to other voices.
These women have been silencing me for 22 years. If you’re anti-porn, you get invited to speak at congressional hearings and the like. If you’re me, you don’t get the time of day.
I make porn and I also make love with my husband as a full human person. He’s not married to Nina; he’s married to ME and loves ME and makes love to ME, as myself, not some creature I’ve invented to get my message out there.Ooh, it makes me so fucking angry!
Enough freakin’ said.


