Just the thing to brighten up a mostly dreadful day at work:
It seems that Carolyn Hoffman is but a bit put off by my open letter dissing her for her antiporn viewpoints and her slaying of men for degrading women with their toxic sperm. She attempted on Queer Bitch’s blog today to justify herself, and then turned her Scud missiles at moi (mispellings included for accuracy):
And to the guy Anthony who says some young girls and women want and like to be gropped, this is *exactly* what most pornography says! And you think I just described a minority of porn sites,I have seen plenty and they all depict and describe women this way,and I have never seen one site that didn’t call women c-m eating sluts and bitches.
Of course, the fact that some real women might actually like eating cum or take the terms "slut" and "bitch" as either a positive term or not that seriously — at least, not as seriously as dear Carolyn would like them to take it — seems not to register in her MacDworkinite-fed biochip.
Ms. Hoffman later goes on to describe in graphic and eXXXplicit language — even language I probably wouldn’t post here since this is a public blog — the many ways in which porn makes men want to do dirty thngs to women. Just follow the above link and prepare to cover your ears (or grab your crotch….it’s probably NSFW.
And later in the thread, she responds to some legitimate critique in the usual cult femininst way — by temper tamper:
My initial thought is that the best approach to Ms. H would be to take the high, formal road and address her (il)logic. To with, the following:
All I will say here is this: for someone who protests (wrongly, in my view) that those who challenge your theology are smearing you as “anti-sex”, you sure put forth a lot of overbroad generalites and falsehoods about not only the majority of men who happen to view adult sexual media, but also the women who manage to survive with them. Your own personal experiences are to be respected and acknowledged; but to use them as a stalking horse to sell a basically reactionary social agenda and to scapegoat innocent people whose only “crime” is to have sexual thoughts about some women in their brains and get erections (or for women, damp panties)…is simply beneath contempt.
I will come right out and say it, Ms. Hoffman: in my view, you might not be “anti-sex” personally…..but your base ideology most certainly comes pretty damn close to being “anti-sex”…in that you basically try, convict, and execute millions of men and women who willingly and safely view adult sexual material as nothing more than material rapists and batterers; and your totally dim and negative approach about sexuality — totally free of any hint of mutual consent or mutual pleasure or basic free will and equality and diversity — more than justifies the term.
The rest of your “response” is simply more boilerplate that has been already answered by most here, so I won’t waste any more time on this.
The only demons that need to be slayed here, Ms. Hoffman, are your own private ones. Sperm on a woman’s face or breasts or on her butt didn’t cause your tormentors to hurt you, and censoring consensual adult sexual speech won’t resolve your issues, either.
All that does is to make her even madder…..and she immediately gets personal:
Anthony you are a pornography influenced bastard and you all really proved my case here and I really thank you for that! You have already been so influenced by pornography and it’s sick damaging messages and how it has been so mainstreamed and normalized, you can’t even see what I’m saying is true! Thank you again for proving my case!
Naturally, that induces me to respond with this:
First off, Ms. Hoffman….easy on the caps. We’re not shouting back at you; at least have the decency to respond in a civil tone. (And remember, this is Queer Dewd’s blog, not yours or mine.)
Secondly: Neither Renegade Evolution nor I ever “admitted” that ALL porn was misogynistic; we simply said that SOME porn could very well be. We both do say quite clearly, though, that the overwhelming majority of what counts as “pornography” consists mainly of depictions of consenting adults engaging in mutually pleasurable and freely sought after sexual activity, and that the overwhelming majority of men and women who regularly view such material do indeed go on to respect women as full and equal human beings. That is a bit different, Ms. Hoffman, from what you are trying to argue us down with.
You take great length to describe in explicit and graphic form the type of “abuse” that women are supposedly exposed to by men who use porn…but how exactly is being asked to perform fellatio or swallowing sperm or anal sex or ejaculating on a woman’s face or breast or another part of her body in any way abusive to a woman who explicitly asks for it?? Did those men you quote who press their women to perform such “degrading” acts threaten bodily harm or other sanctions on the women if they didn’t perform these acts?? Or did they simply accept the assumption of “No thanks, I’m not interested”?? Only if you are so convinced that the very ACTS of sex involving these things you describe is innately “degrading” and “damaging” would you so adamantly deny that some women might take some bit of pleasure in those acts or depictions thereof. And what would you say about men who would use the same tone as you do when asked by their female lovers about performing cunnilingus (or, as you would probably put it, “eating p*ssy”), or being on the receiving end of anal sex using a strap-on, or simply taking more time to focus on her pleasure rather than his own?? Would that be a different standard for women simply because they are the “victims of patriarchy”…or does your loathing and fear and hatred of any act of sex that doesn’t meet your narrow antipornradicalfeminist standards extend equally across the gender divide??
You can describe until you are blue in the face all the “studies” you’ve done and seen, and all the “testimonials” from women who mostly think like you; but once you escape the cocoon of the cult logic and actually engage real women and men, the paucity of your argument becomes clear. Maybe that’s why you can only respond to constructive criticism with more yelling and cussing and stomping of feet.
When you actually have a decent argument, Ms. Hoffman, I will take you seriously enough to have a genuine discussion. Until then, please don’t waste our time. This is not a free carrier, as Queer Bitch would say.
I guess I must have said the magic words…because this is how Carolyn responded…and why Peter North makes a cameo appearence in the title of this post:
FUCK YOU ANTHONY FUCK YOU! Overwhelming majority of mostly male viewers of pornography are really pretty sick and we live in a very sick male dominated pornographic woman hating society! I’m done arguing with your God damned ignorance. You just love to watch men ejaculate on women and yopu must love to do it to women so much yourself that what I’m saying is really very threatening to you!
Oh, yeah, Carolyn, you got me there!!!! I just looooovvvvvve to blow my wad on women. Hell, I’ve got so much spooge that even Peter North (the porn stud known for his consistent long-distance yanks [and his superior technique with his tongue and fingers, too]) couldn’t hold a candle to me and my 15-inch monster!!!
Wow….that even beats the one where RMildred and the gang at PunkassBlog accused me of being RenEv’s client!! (Not that that would be so bad, of course, considering that Ren’s as fine-ass as she is bad-ass and actually likes getting spooged on, among other nastiness…)
Oh, Carolyn, please don’t flatter yourself….I wouldn’t waste my puny effusions (those last two paragraphs were in jest, of course, in case you didn’t know) on you even if you pleaded with me for it..or even if you offered me a million dollars for the "pleasure". (OK….hold that thought…LOL) Like most men, I only blow my wad for women who freely ask for it….and remember, that unless it gets in the eyes or nose, sperm is mostly harmless. (It’s hell to clean off the bedsheets, however.)
If this is the best insult you can fling at me for calling out your bullshit, then just go home and rest yourself….and quit wasting my time and yours and Queer Bitch’s bandwidth.
Oh….and women do squirt, too. And not just in jest, either.